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mustang headstock rebuild

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:52 pm
by robroe
Ian From speakerFIRE came over this week and dropped off his ducktape stang. the headstock got way damaged after being smashed by one of the pet elephants they take on stage with them for shows.


when i first got it it didn't look that bad. there was a crack in the top that went all the way along the tuners but didn't end all the way thru. on the back, it was busted all the way thru. so the whole thing was just kinda on life support thanks to the string tension on it.

after i took the strings off the top three tuners fell right out, the screws for them are fucked, one is missing. I unscrewed the other 3 and found out that the headstock isn't completely busted in half. but to fix it im going to have to bust it all the way in half to get the liquid nails in there good enough for it to hold. its going to have a nice little battle scar when im done. all the work i do on the back of the headstock should be covered up by the tuning machines.

lots and lots of photos / video to come....


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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:16 pm
by RumorsOFsurF
Is liquid nails really that effective? :shock:

Are you going to just butt the pieces together, or perhaps dowel them?

I can't wait for updates!

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:25 pm
by robert(original)
i don't think there is much to dowell, liquid nails would be the shit on this thing, as long as its a clean break it will be fine, rob knows what the fuck he is doing.

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:36 pm
by RumorsOFsurF
I don't question Rob's knowledge or ability, I know he's more than capable. I just don't know shit about wood repair. :lol:

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:12 am
by More Cowbell
Good luck with this project Rob, and take loads of pics.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:41 am
by robroe
there are many differernt kinds of liquid nails. i am using the brown kind. not the clear kind. the clear kind I use on my skate shoes to put them back together after they get torn apart.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:57 am
by robroe
ok when i started it looked like this

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split at the top all the way thru, the split goes all the way thru on the back side but on the face of the head stock it only goes down to the low E.

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after i got the stings off the first 3 tuners fell out. screws and all.
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took out the bushings to have a better look...applied some hand pressure to get a good idea of what the finshed product will look like before starting.
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backside of it minus bushings and tuners
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so my main problem with this thing was that it was split allllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way down to the end on the back but not on the front...there was no way to get glue in there where it was needed, and if i didn't get it in there it was just going to be super wimpy. so i had to pull it off. i hated doing it but it had to be done. it made me sad. I imagine doctors get the same feeling re-breaking someones leg when it didn't heal right on its own.

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doing this made it much easier to apply the glue and get it reset
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jam the bushings in there before you lock it down or else who knows what fuck all will happen to the holes. its just a better idea to make it dry around the bushings than dry without them. provides more support in there under the clamps.
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after you get it laying exactly the way you want it to dry, get out your tools for traction. Im using a 2 1/2" gripper for the top and a 3" heavy duty C clamp for the bottom. the gripper goes right on with out hassle. the C clamp you have to fashion a flat surface for the thing to put pressure on. thats why there is a yard stick jammed in there....if you just put a clamp on that joint, it will just roll right out as you tighten it due to the curve.
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the yard stick is made of some very soft light wood...so as i tighten the clamp down it gets dammaged, not the guitar. I also stuck a round felt disk from my dremmul set under the top side of the clamp so it won't fuck the wood all up on the top side of the headstock...although at this point i don't think one more little mark is even going to be noticable.

it has sat here on my bench like this for a day now. I will let it sit until tonight before i clean the excess glue off and give it a go with filling in the screw holes and redrilling them. its going to be tricky because all the screw holes are right IN the break. vibration might fuck the whole thing up and I will have to start over. hope that doesn't hapen.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:03 pm
by More Cowbell
Looks like he'll be very impressed. Good JOB!!!!!!

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:14 pm
by robroe
on that last photo, the giant black crack looking thing is just dirty glue. once i clean it up it will look like the photo above with very little indication that a crack is there.

lucky for Ian, the headstock already has quite a few vertical lines in the wood going for it. the crack should blend right in and be un-noticeable on stage, on the front of the headstock

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:20 pm
by More Cowbell
Are we ludwig rocker brothers? Are your drums Ludwig rockers?

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:34 pm
by robroe
my shells are garage sale 100 dollar drums. my dad and I re-wrapped them all in white wrap when i was in like 5th grade. all indications of what they were are gone. so i have no idea.

my hardware is this though:

early 70's ludwig ride stand
early 70's ludwig hi hat stand
early 70's ludwig snare stand
CB700 crash stand
Pearl bass drum peddal

all the ludwig shit is from my dads old ludwig double bass set he had(still has) in the 70's. it was wrapped in blue oyster pearl. color is impossible to find now adays. everyone has black oyster pearl but not blue. old ludwig shit is sturdy as fuck. quality back in the day. it will last me forever

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:47 pm
by ludger
Hey rob,

Lookin' good so far.

Could you explain/take pics of the tuner-screw-holes-redrilling-process? I have to do this soon and another experienced take would be helpful. Thanks.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:17 pm
by robroe
yea i will. i am documenting this whole thing in the effort to get more outside work in. gotta start somewhere. I told ian i would do it for free, but i am going to photograph everything and possibly take them to local shops

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:55 pm
by JamesSmann
very impressive so far dude! you're like a headstock surgeon.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:21 pm
by robert(original)
FUCK YEAH!@ rob bringin the skills!!!
if you ever encouter this again and want to try something else, roping works well too~!
good idea with the ruler tho! i would have wasted 30 mins trying to shape a piece of mdf to that shape.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:54 pm
by Mike
Brilliant.

Looks like you're doing an ace job. That thing is gonna be good as new.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:09 pm
by robroe
ok i got it out of traction. I still need to hit it with some honda polish and get off the resedue but heres what im working with to this point.

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I think im going to wait until tomorrow to start working on the back of it.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:21 pm
by James
At the very least this guy needs to buy you a crate of beer.

Good jorb.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:31 pm
by RumorsOFsurF
Looks great, Rob. You certainly do know your way around a guitar workshop.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:40 pm
by DGNR8
On the front, which is arguably the most important visible angle, it looks almost like grain. The best part is that maple is mofo hard and the glues area may be even stronger than the rest. Unlike a Gibbo, where you might still have worries, I think this thing is good to go, even in a stress point around the tuners. Nice job, brah.