New Squier

AaronGuitarDude · Post by **AaronGuitarDude** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:52 pm

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honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:11 pm

Way too expensive. Twenty bucks more and you get a Fender decal.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:19 pm

it's actually just as ugly as joe trohman

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:44 pm

At first I was like "who the fuck is joe trohman?" Then I googled him, and found out he's the guy from fall out boy (broken up) and has now started a metal band that nobody except for die hard fall out boy fans has probably heard of, and then I was like "Why does he have a signature guitar?"

The $20 more and you get a fender arguement is pretty dumb though, I thought we were all past the name on the headstock snobbery here.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:46 pm

Let's say it this way. I feel like it's a unique enough instrument that at $279-299 (Deryck Whibley, Avril, etc.), it'd be a good buy. At $379, it just isn't worth having "Squier" and "Joe Trohman" on your headstock.

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:55 pm

honeyiscool wrote:Let's say it this way. I feel like it's a unique enough instrument that at $279-299 (Deryck Whibley, Avril, etc.), it'd be a good buy. At $379, it just isn't worth having "Squier" and "Joe Trohman" on your headstock.

I agree about the Joe Trohman name thing completely, but I'm not particularly a fan of his, maybe he has fans out there that feel differently.

But as far as the price for a Squier name on the headstock arguement I just think it's absolutely stupid to think like that. The Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster is the same price and it's getting great reviews, and I would absolutely not mind paying that much for a Squier especially with the quality level of their more expensive guitars. And I'm also sure that there are people who have no idea who J Mascis is or aren't fans of his that like the guitar enough to buy it. Saying "It's too expensive to have a squier decal on the headstock" is just snobbery.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:58 pm

i don't think it's a snobbery aspect that honey is talking from. i believe he's inferring the price range that this falls into, (in comparison to fender) but the one problem is that you can't spend $20 more and get a fender guitar with exactly the same features.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:34 pm

Billy3000 wrote:But as far as the price for a Squier name on the headstock arguement I just think it's absolutely stupid to think like that. The Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster is the same price and it's getting great reviews, and I would absolutely not mind paying that much for a Squier especially with the quality level of their more expensive guitars. And I'm also sure that there are people who have no idea who J Mascis is or aren't fans of his that like the guitar enough to buy it. Saying "It's too expensive to have a squier decal on the headstock" is just snobbery.

I've bought so many Squiers in my life that I've lost count. I love Squier instruments, and my favorite guitars that I never sell are all Squiers. But there's something to be said about a Squier, that first of all, they should be cheap. There are some exceptions, like Vista series, I suppose. But new? At the $379-399 range, unless it's something that really has no Fender rival like the Mascis Jazzmaster (which you have to pay twice as much for to get anything near the same), I just think that the Squier name is pretty unattractive when you start paying Fender prices because at that point, I think their value proposition is debatable to say the least.

hotrodperlmutter wrote:i don't think it's a snobbery aspect that honey is talking from. i believe he's inferring the price range that this falls into, (in comparison to fender) but the one problem is that you can't spend $20 more and get a fender guitar with exactly the same features.

Well, no, you're "stuck" with an HSS Tele Plus that doesn't suck:

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:43 pm

it sucks if you're after a 3 way switch and two sets of vol/tone, and a nice rosewood neck.

or a nice 3 tone burst.

James · Post by **James** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:35 pm

Â£400 Squier ≠ $400 Fender

I'd be much more willing to spend Â£350 on a new Squier than a new Fender. I've also owned a lot of Squiers and the quality varies enormously across the range. An affinity doesn't get close to a good Fender but a 90s MIJ or a current CV is (from what I've seen) a better guitar than a standard series Fender.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:03 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:it sucks if you're after a 3 way switch and two sets of vol/tone, and a nice rosewood neck.

or a nice 3 tone burst.

You leave maple alone.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:04 pm

NEVAR

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:09 pm

James wrote:Â£400 Squier ≠ $400 Fender

I'd be much more willing to spend Â£350 on a new Squier than a new Fender.

This.
Talking new of course.

Zack · Post by **Zack** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:10 pm

hotrodmaeplhaet0rz

Shame this doesnt have widerangers, even if they're not as fancy as the og ones. My roommate and I were joking about putting another neck pup in the middle of his tele deluxe, but that's the type of thing i think squier could do though.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:33 pm

yeah, it's weird.

matthewk has that tele custom with a stock bridge pickup and a squier branded WRHB. wtf. do again

goots ol' boy: sending out your pickup cover this week when i ship bene's pedal. sorry for the delayz.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:42 pm

Is there a point to any of the current Fender models with "wide range pickups"? I thought they were just PAFs with oversized covers.

Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:48 am

honeyiscool wrote:Is there a point to any of the current Fender models with "wide range pickups"? I thought they were just PAFs with oversized covers.

That is the point. The cost of making CuNiFe magnets is unreasonable, as is the mass-production of them.

And rosewood neck on a tele? So wrong, lol.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:14 am

hotrodperlmutter wrote:i don't think it's a snobbery aspect that honey is talking from. i believe he's inferring the price range that this falls into, (in comparison to fender) but the one problem is that you can't spend $20 more and get a fender guitar with exactly the same features.

this is the exact reason why the squier vista line died a quick death. no one bought them because they were 500 bucks

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:18 am

Sparky wrote:That is the point. The cost of making CuNiFe magnets is unreasonable, as is the mass-production of them.

Where are Fralin and Novak getting those magnetic screws? I know they're not CuNiFe but it should be possible to get magnetic screws. Without them, I view WRHB routes as all the drawbacks without any of the tonal benefits.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:27 am

honeyiscool wrote:
hotrodperlmutter wrote:it sucks if you're after a 3 way switch and two sets of vol/tone, and a nice rosewood neck.

or a nice 3 tone burst.
You leave maple alone.

Johnny G is the man!

I prefer rosewood as well, but open minded.

Can honestly say had no idea who Trohman was before this thread. Is Fall Out Boy some emo thing? I just remember Milhouse from the Simpsons.